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Start?

This article can hardly be classed as 'start', now can it? It even seems like it's been nominated for a feature. 81.231.7.57 19:06, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

'Break Up'

From the news reports I have read, the band hasn't broken up. Cornell has left the group - that isn't a break up. The band still exists without Cornell for the time being, surely?

PMBO 19:02, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Couldn't agree more. I believe Audioslave still exists, just without Cornell. (One can only hope this strengthens the possibility of Rage reforming permanently though!) Demonofthefall 11:11, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
Audio Slave will never be finished. NEVER!

Agreed. Anyone disagree? The article now contradicts itself. It states that Cornell's departure is "leaving the band's future in doubt." - Yet the band can't have a future as the article states it has broken up, and there are no members in the group. PMBO 02:08, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

I changed some of the "is" statements to "was" statements. the band is done. there will be no new singer. Clinch76 01:10, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

http://www.actressarchives.com/news.php?id=4139 This article confirms the breakup, so could someone remove the 'citation needed' thing from the article introduction please? I would, but I don't know how. Also, saying that Cornell leaving doesn't constitute a break-up is just like saying that Zack de la Rocha leaving Rage wasn't a break-up either (note how the circumstances are exactly the same), and I think we can all agree that in 2000 Rage had indeed broken up. 14:31, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

chris said that he was leaving audioslave, but no one said anything about audioslave breaking up. there would still be an audioslave, just without a singer. however, many articles on the internet about chris leaving audioslave, title it with "audioslave breaks up" or something like that even though there was nothing said about them breaking up. did tom, brad or tim ever say anything about audioslave disbanding? or is that just what is assumed by a majority of the population just because chris left the band? and i agree with PMBO about how the article contradicts itself. Ella 08:47, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Just because a singer is no longer with a band does not mean they're breaking up. ACDC, Van Halen, Black Sabbath, all changed singers.

Here's the thing though, without Chris it's just RATM without Zack de la Rocha, and Rage is already talking about reuniting with him. FinalWish 00:10, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Genre

I'm moving funk rock further down the list. It should definately not come before Hard rock, Alternative rock and Post-grunge. It's just a minor part of Revelations. All their earlier albums feature no funk influence at all hardly. im not happy with the definition of post grunge either. Post grunge describes bands who were influenced by Pearl Jam, Nirvana, etc, as well as Soundgarden. And seeing as Cornell was in Soundgarden, he can't exactly influence himself.

How the hell is Audioslave post-grunge? same goes for the Foo Fighters. Not one person can name one good reason for either to be considered anything to do with grunge, and no, distorted guitars are present in pretty much all rock genres. Dirty filthy image? Audioslave? even the Foo Fighters? This is stupid. 38.99.101.131 (talk) 20:08, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Video Game Spam

The paragraph

"In 2006, video game company Vivendi Games announced that two songs from Out Of Exile would be featured on their upcoming racing game, FlatOut 2. The game is set for release August 1st, 2006 and is the second entry in the series which allows players to race in various environments at high speeds. The game is noted for having special destruction gameplay elements, including the ability of having the driver fly out of the windshield when hit head-on. The two songs to be featured are the second single, Your Time Has Come, and Man Or Animal."

really seems like an ad for the game. I nominate this for deletion.

-Dan

I'd say just take out the part about the game itself. Just leavethe first and final sentences.

-Mike

No synthesisers??

It says in the article (in the intro) that the band only use guitars, bass, drums and vocals. I'm pretty sure that the latest album actually uses sythesisers in at least a couple of songs. Can someone find out??

ok i found where i read that about using synthesisers, it was in a review at popmatters.com, "The tune [show me how to live] even includes some synthesizer-generated computation going on in the background" but it must be wrong because the album inlay says "all sounds made by guitar, bass, drums and vocals." dodgy website --LeakeyJee 11:27, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

Tom Morello is a professional guitarist who uses an effects pedal on his electric guitar to make killer obscure sounds. It is true that all sound on the album are made by guitar,bass,drums and vocals.

"all sounds made by guitar, bass, drums and vocals." appeared on every rage cd. they still used pedals and shit, just no keyboards or bagpipes.69.218.199.100 08:31, 21 February 2007 (UTC)


I assumed "Alternativa Rock" was a typo, and fixed it. Arbiter125
Yes, it was. Thanks for fixing it. -- SoothingR(pour) 20:18, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

Audioslave is a unique and bewildering force of nature. Made up of two of the greatest bands in modern history, although being from two distinct musical flavors. I would have to say that this unity of some of the greatest contemporary musicians has brought about one of the most significant musical collaborations of all times.

What is not present in their music? That is the question. Is evil, satan, God, 2012, purity, destruction death, life, or countless other themes not present? About every important subject that faces the people of our time can be summed up in one of Audioslave's songs. If not, look back at Chris' Catholic denial days and seek his inspiring words on Christ( C.C.C.? Is there a connection), or to be more precise, the Church, the state of humanity and SPOONS for all purposes!

Without overly subjecting my views of Chris Cornell as being a modern day prophet, The depth of Audioslave's meaning for manifestation will not be understood for a time, hopefully less of than more of.

The good fight will continue, all that sucks will be sucked and in the end, all that'll be is the last remaining light.

himopso@hotmail.com Remember, hands are for shaking, no, not tying.


Nothing against AS, but the Manic Street Preachers were the first Western band ever to play in Cuba since the embargo. --Madchester 15:18, 2005 Jun 23 (UTC)

But was it a "free outdoor concert"? Morwen - Talk 15:19, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)
No, it was indoors and had Fidel Castro in attendance as the guest of honour. The Manics also produced a DVD documentary sharing their experiences of Cuba culture and society. You really can't top that. --Madchester 02:40, 2005 Jun 25 (UTC)
According to MTV, [1] it was played outside not indoors. A note about the venue: It's a surprisingly modern-looking — at least by Cuba's normally shopworn standards — open-air plaza ... --Krystyn Dominik 03:35, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Regardless, a Western band performing in Cuba has kinda been overdone. Anohther British band, Elbow or somebody else toured the country recently. --Madchester 06:25, July 24, 2005 (UTC)
Doesn't matter if it was outside or inside, had Castro there or not. The question is whether or not they "were the first Western band ever to play in Cuba since the embargo." Which Manic Street Preachers' concert was.
They were the first American band, not the first Western band.
  • The word's used are "rock band", you think MTV would make an article on a fact that was not true or a band making an entire DVD stating somthing not true?

"It has been disputed whether this band owes more to the sound of Chris Cornell's vocals, or the sound of the Rage Against The Machine instrumentalists." The answer is clearly Chris Cornell. The songs are all about quiet guitar and listening to Chris Cornell sing. It's amazing that two great bands could combine and make a worse band. Sensation002 8 July 2005 14:06 (UTC)



hey man i sing and i have sang on stage and i know what audioslave is and what it take to sing like cornell, to merely hit the right notes is like wtf and to sing with that kind of power is like serious talent and more than that .... u really have to burn your soul to fuel that kind of energy ... when he says show me how to live HE FUCKING MEANS IT punchdrunklovesick@gmail.com

i heard that their first album was written by the band and chris cornell just sang it. is that true? it kinda sounds true how the first album is all clashed.. and sounds more RATM. and it was in an article or somewhere. i dont remember where i heard it from...... 03:09 27, October 2005.

Just my thoughts but on the aol sessions dosent cornell's vocals sound forced...i wonder if the guys from rage really even want to be in this band or if they are doing it because ratm has a snowballs chance in hell of reuniting

I really don't know why all of this discussion is under the synth area, but for one, I feel that, at least Tom Morello (Guitar) is probably enjoying the time away from Rage Against the Machine. They were a great band but released one after another, identical albums and songs. Different lyrics, same guitar and drum work (Though the Bass does change up a little bit from each CD). Morello was stuck in his role, play two notes during the chorus then go wild on the solo. He never could have performed songs like I am the Highway or especially Doesn't Remind Me, his guitar work is completely in a different direction, that means more artistic freedom. As a professional musician, who wouldn't want that?

truly

I tend to agree with the previous statement. The sound and style of this band are not what you usually hear on the radio; they have genuine originality; not a recycled pop punk sound or a standard hard rock feel like Nickelback. Nothing wrong with Nickelback; but they are by no means in the same league as Audioslave. Their previous influences from RAM and Soundgarden give them an inordinately wide variety of possible styles to explore and the skill to do so competantly.

Doesn't Remind Me

I find the political bit on Chris Cornell a bit contradictory, as Doesn't Remind Me is an anti-war song in regards to the War in Iraq. I don't know how to incorporate this exactly, but I did want to bring it up. --Discharger12 00:59, 23 February 2006 (UTC)


Hey guys, mabye just a tad off topic. This is a discussion page, not a forum. --JSF99 01:29, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

...it is relevant to the band, though... --Discharger12 03:07, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

The song is about Cornells youth, by the way.


Yeah, if you look at the article, Chris Cornell, it states that it is about Cornell's childhood - Gorilla Knight


Someone fix Singles

Hey, could someone please fix the 'Singles' section. It says singles, but the actual chart/list is at the very bottom of the page.... ??

Django Reinhardts influence on Tom Morello

Django is an influence on Tom Morello

so?

Deleted "Begoner" from album list

Someone listed an additional album after "Revalations". I have found absolutely no information connecting Audioslave with anything titled "Begoner"

Why is "Temple of the Dog" not listet in the previous bands section?

Listed Temple of the Dog under past bands in the covers section-Matt

snakes? on a plane?

its a cobra starship track, at least the one i've been hearing. Any evidence to support the article saying its on the next audioslave release?

F**k me, this article is biased

Someone needs to fix it, really badly.

Explain why you think that. SOADLuver 13:01, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Out of Exile

Browsing through the article, and I read on Audioslave.com that Out of Exile went 2x platinum worldwide, not 1 time. I fixed that.

Picture

Hi, I'm new and can't upload a picture (don't know how) can you guys upload the one i put up? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Sluggo34 (talk • contribs) 02:33, 8 December 2006 (UTC).


Minor Editing

I fixed up the first paragraph to include the addition of Tim and Brad into to the line describing the band's sound. I also added the instrument names to Tom, Tim, and Brad's names, and a internal link on vocals next to Chris. --Mynabull 23:08, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Cornell Out

Why is all the information that is being put up about Chris Cornell leaving being reverted?

I don't see anything getting reverted? DaddyTwoFoot 02:46, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
Maybe not, but according to CNN, Audioslave isn't breaking up, and the Coachella gig is a one-shot. MSJapan 20:30, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
As I stated above - the artice is wrong PMBO 14:23, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
The members of Rage decide whether or not they will reform after Coachella, not CNN 14:38, 20 February 2007 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.30.0.166 (talk) 14:38, 20 February 2007 (UTC).
Wow. I find it absolutely amazing that this article and other Audioslave-related articles talk about the band in the past tense and speak definitively about their supposed "breakup" (particularly since this article says very clearly and very correctly "The other members have yet to make any public comment, surrounding Cornell's departure and whether they plan to continue the band with another singer as Cornell himself hinted."), in spite of the fact that the only thing we know is that Chris left the band. Nowhere does it say that the band as a whole has broken up, and I am yet to see anyone cite any sources that would indicate as much. Geez, people here need to realize that the whole point is to synthesize information, not make guesses and assumptions about it. At the very least, could people show a little patience and not go editing a half dozen articles every time a piece of circumstantial evidence pops up in the news? BACON 00:43, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
Maybe you should read the rest of the discussion first. 15:37, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
The section about Cornell leaving states that no member has made a public opinion about Cornell's departure, but Morello has made a statement in Guitar World Magazine that I believe is significant. He states that he really doesn't know what's happening, and no one has been in touch. Should we add this? Please continue this discussion so that we can try to give accurate information.ImJFAT 21:21, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
I think this Chicago Tribune article from April 1st corroborates that. Middle of the eighth paragraph: "Though Audioslave has not officially broken up, Morello says, Rage is back in business with a reunion concert...". Also, third item in the Q&A section: "So is Audioslave done?" "A. I've yet to hear from Chris Cornell on that personally [laughs]. It's obviously even hard to comment on until he and I have had a discussion, which we have not." It doesn't sound like Tom knows what's going on or even what the status of the band is, just that they won't be doing anything under the name Audioslave for a while, if ever. BACON 02:58, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

also refer to break up section at the top of this page...

Was or Is

Please deside here wether the band is still in operation instead of just reverting the page between was and is, its a pointlessly small edit that just fills Wikipedias servers with useless History pages. Ferdia O'Brien 08:53, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

audioslave nation

can we have something about audioslave nation in here?

Hopes

If Zack de la Rocha chooses not to reunite with Tom, Tim and Brad, then I hope they can find a worthy successor to both him and Chris. But I hope they don't resort to one of those Rock Star shows like INXS did. Then they would suck from then on. - Ndrly 03:01, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

if they have to find another singer, i hope they make it a different band, not audioslave, coz audioslave wouldn't be the same without chris. chris's vocals was one of the main things that defined audioslave and it wouldn't be nice with an audioslave with a different singer. it would totally wreck audioslave. so i think that if they found a new singer, it would be better if they start a new band altogheter. ▓░ Dark Devil ░▓ ( Talk ♥ Contribs ) 03:27, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
yes but my point is if they have to find a new singer then they shouldn't resort to a Rock Star show. - Ndrly 08:09, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
oh yeah sorry ▓░ Dark Devil ░▓ ( Talk ♥ Contribs ) 09:34, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

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Rick Rubin/Revelations

Did any of the band members ever explain why Rick Rubin didn't produce Revelations? 75pickup (talk · contribs) 23:19, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

a message to the person/people who greatly improved this article

you did an awesome job and the article looks alot better now! audioslave were such an awesome, talented and recognised band that they deserve an awesome article... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dark Devil (talk • contribs) 07:42, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Thank you very much! Gocsa 08:32, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

cornell rhythm guitar?

This article www.guitarplayer.com/article/good-fight/nov-05/15214 makes mention of Cornell playing guitar on a few songs and Tom says a glockenspiel was used on a track (the curse) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.68.160.72 (talk) 05:14, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Audioslave was an American rock supergroup that consisted of the former instrumentalists of Rage Against the Machine; Tom Morello (guitar), Tim Commerford (bass and backing vocals) and Brad Wilk (drums), together with Chris Cornell, the former frontman of Soundgarden, as their lead vocalist and rhythm guitarist


cornell didnt do rhythm guitar. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dark Devil (talk • contribs) 07:53, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

He played rhythm guitar live many times. I wasn't sure and I'm still not, if it counts, because I know he didn't play any instrument on any album, but I left it there. Gocsa 08:33, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
oh ok cool —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dark Devil (talk • contribs) 08:42, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

live in cuba

according to the dvd it says they played in front of 60000 people, not 50000 as stated in the intro —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dark Devil (talk • contribs) 07:55, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

It is practically impossible to tell how many people were there, because it was a free concert. 50,000 was a police estimation and many sources have this, I've also found articles with 60,000, but they all got the number from the DVD. Tom Morello stated in every interview that it was 70,000, so there are many inconsistencies.. I stuck with the police estimation, I think it is definitely not 70,000.. the band's and the record company's obvious aim is to have a higher audience number. Gocsa 08:40, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Infobox lay out

I'd like to change the infobox lay out but wouldn't like to engage in an unnecessary edit war. I believe the way it looks now (revision 01:59, 26 October 2007) is pretty unreadable. I'm mainly referring to the associated acts section. I'd like to use line breaks instead of commas to make it more comprehensible and informative. Now it feels more like prose you have to read to see all acts. After all an infobox is meant to be a quick overview. Anyone opposed? Kameejl (Talk) 22:38, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Yes, oppose. It is quite comprehensible as it is. It is also consistent with the other fields in the infobox, as well as the fields in for example album infoboxes. Are you saying that all album infoboxes are incomprehensible? --PEJL 22:44, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
It might be "comprehensible as it is" to you, but to me the previous lay out was more comprehensible and better fit for a quick overview. The lay out was perfect before (for months), and didn't need a change if you ask me. This is not an album infobox, and yes, if one would contain a list of 8 comma separated entries (in this case associated acts) I would say the infobox would be practically unreadable and incomprehensible. It's meant to be a quick overview, not prose. Kameejl (Talk) 22:58, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
This is an encyclopedia. We should assume that our readers are comfortable reading prose. --PEJL 23:57, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
And that's just what we do. We do assume our readers are comfortable reading prose. So? Infoboxes are not meant for prose. I expect more constructive input. Please respond to my concerns in a constructive way. How does your edit improve the "quick overview" aspect of this infobox? How does the change affect its readability? What is the benefit of the change? Does it improve anything for a reader that doesn't care about some other infobox guideline? Kameejl (Talk) 00:25, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
Your complaint was that using commas makes it similar to prose and therefore hard to read. I'm saying that we should assume that our readers are comfortable reading prose. As for advantages with using commas, I'm sure you remember that I listed a number of such advantages when we previously discussed this topic. One of those is compactness. The infobox is much more likely to fit into the browser window without scrolling if we're not using linebreaks. --PEJL 07:50, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
Compactness is just a unnecessary, made up requirement, practically no infobox is compact. Just to check I searched for infobox templates and clicked random infoboxes, this is the result:
http://en.wikipedia.org/en/Template:Infobox_Planet Saturn
http://en.wikipedia.org/en/Template:Infobox_actor Tom Cruise
http://en.wikipedia.org/en/Template:Infobox_Company Microsoft
http://en.wikipedia.org/en/Template:Infobox_Film Braveheart
http://en.wikipedia.org/en/Template:Infobox_Television Lonelygirl
As you can see, line break delimited entries are everywhere on wikipedia, the argument that it's more encyclopedic is not valid. If you prefer compactness, it can be done in different more effective ways (hide/show buttons for members, stict rules for associated acts). If we want to be consistent with most other widely used infoboxes we should use line breaks. Are there more advantages? Please point me to them. Kameejl (Talk) 08:37, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
Template talk:Infobox Musical artist#Standardizing genre delimiters. I'm going to leave this discussion now. --PEJL 09:31, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
Genres? No associated acts. But I'll also post my concerns on the template's talk page. Kameejl (Talk) 15:21, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
The same advantages apply. --PEJL 16:47, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
No, it can't be capitalization. Do you mean compactness and consistency with some other template guideline (and at the same time inconsistency with most other widely used infoboxes)? Kameejl (Talk) 18:03, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
You're right, one of the seven advantages listed doesn't apply directly to associated acts. But it does apply to genres, and there are reasons to be consistent within the musical artist infobox, so that's another advantage. --PEJL 19:52, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
I support the generally preferred comma over the breaks. It's an encyclopaedia not a personal webpage or a junior high school book report. Encyclopaedias contain facts laid out in the simplest, most dry reading format that can be used... the straight line text. On the rarest of occasion... when an edit war is taking place and all warring parties can have their jowls stifled by an ugly citation in the box(which I do not favour at all... cited content belongs in the article.. not the box) then... and only then should a break be used to emphasise the reference, other than that... the lowly, but more encyclopaedic comma should prevail. 156.34.236.16 00:53, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
To me, the issue here isn't the separation use, but the amount of associated acts. I'd only include Soundgarden, Rage and Nightwatchmen. The others are exceptionally auxillary and if mentioned inthe article, great, but if not, there's no love lost. I personally prefer linebreaks to separate artists, but the consensus is to use commas. If you believe this to be unacceptable, it's more appropriate to discuss this either at WT:ALBUM or at the talk page for the infobox. --lincalinca 09:37, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Jah! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Frvernchanezzz (talk • contribs) 09:34, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Why the Fuck isent rock listed

Why the Fuck isent rock listed --88.90.80.199 (talk) 10:03, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Why is Puscifer listed under Associated Acts?

I can't seem to find any link between Puscifer and Audioslave, could anyone please care to enlighten me? If not; shouldn't it be removed? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 4RM0 (talk • contribs) 19:52, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Both Tim Commerford and Brad Wilk played on the Puscifer album. Gocsa (talk) 13:52, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
Ah alrighty, thanks for that info. 4RM0 (talk) 08:28, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

should puscifer really be included though? cuz tim and brad only played on one of the songs. 124.186.27.60 (talk) 07:24, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

Use of reviews as sources

Using opinionated reviews as sources is hardly encyclopedic. Saying, "Audioslave created a distinct sound," and citing a review does not illustrate that the band created a distinct sound (this opinion would be impossible to illustrate since the band sounds, instrumentally, identical to Rage Against the Machine), all that it illustrates is that they were praised as having created a distinct sound.

This is an encyclopedia. FACTS are all that matter. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fofe510 (talk • contribs) 18:43, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Band Members?

The main article lacks a section about the current and former band members. I think this is important. 75.67.196.204 (talk) 02:12, 4 May 2008 (UTC) . —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.223.102.161 (talk) 10:32, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
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