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    Ragusa- Dubrovnik- has never been in Italy!

    This article's statement in the part of "Maratime Republics" claiming that Ragusa was in Italy and therefore implying that it was an Italian republic is clearly a mistake. One just needs to go into the Sponza palace, the Ragusian state archive in Dubrovnik and see any of the official documents. The laws regarding inner policy are clearly stated in Croatian: Those regarding foreign policy are written both in Croatian and Italian. All of the ruling families of Ragusa from Sorkocevic to Gucetic to Restic etc were Croatian. The greatest Ragusian poet and writer Ivan Gundulic, an aristocrat and one of the rulers, famous for his book "Suze sina razmetnoga", was one of the greatest Croatian nationalists. Source: "Dubrovnik, a history", written by Robin Harris 2006. According to the Robert Harris book Malta was independent until 1808 when Napoleon annexed it. According to Harris Dubrovnik with it's fleet of 700.000 tons (surpassing Venice in 1660) was the main hated rival of Venice in the Adriatic and always resisted the invasion plans of Venice. The last Venitian rector was sent home packing- politely but firmly- in 1351. According to Harris the recto packed his belongings in a hurry.

    Romanians in 2007/2008

    I think now that Romanians are the largest minority in Italy, someone should add this fact from this year.Sambure (talk) 17:09, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

    If you can give a reliable source that says this, go ahead and add it (including a reference to the source). However merely "thinking" that it's true is not a reliable source. Tonywalton  | Talk 17:18, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
    From BBC, The number of Romanians in Italy is estimated at more than 550,000, about 1% of the total population. Romanians are the largest community in Italy after Italians. Around 500,000 Romanians are officially registered as living in Italy, but unofficial estimates put the actual number at double that figure or perhaps even more. --Sambure (talk) 17:20, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

    There is no doubt Romanians make up a large part of the population in Italy today- they are commonly found even in the smaller cities. I think it is very difficult to put a number to them, however, since they are not exactly a "visible" minority and with open EU borders it is impossible to say how many are there at any given time. Unfortunately, because of their large numbers, in Italy as elsewhere in Europe, there are many vagrant Romanians and there is somewhat of a backlash directed towards them these days. On another note, many Romanians have completely integrated into Italian society, mostly thanks to the similar language. I agree this "confirmed" info should be added to the article, especially with the BBC source. Mariokempes (talk) 19:03, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

    it's true, thanks for the input. It's so easy for a Romanian that after only 2 weeks one can speak almost perfect italian. Just a slight accent can tell he's a romanian.Sambure (talk) 19:07, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

    I updated the table based on these sources. Mariokempes (talk) 22:52, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

    Thank you Mario!--Sambure (talk) 17:41, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

    No problem. I actually resisted making the change because of the source's main content. If you could find a different or, better still, the original source for these figures it would be better... the articles cited do not present a good light on the Romanian situation! Mariokempes (talk) 19:13, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

    True. I will look further. I know the situation of Romanians is not the best one right now..Italy president: „Expelling 200,000 Romanians would be the same thing as a deportation”. To be honest all Romanians like and simply love Italy. Romanians consider Italy and Italians as the second mother country and our brothers. I asked myself what was the trigger to all of this? was it only the Mailat case? Sambure talk 20:07, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
    From International Herlad Tribune The association of Romanians in Italy says the actual number of Romanians is closer to 1.5 million, not including Romanian Gypsies. --Sambure talk 20:11, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

    Italy as a regional power

    I think we should state in the introduction that Italy is generally considered one of the five European regional powers, along with France, the UK, Germany and Russia. --Fertuno 15:04, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

    Demographics of Italy

    The demographics of Italy is far too large. All these charts are unnecessary; just the very written words is good enough; much like Germany's! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Galati (talk • contribs) 23:22, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

    Also, how are there 58.9 million ethnic Italians in Italy. There are only 59.2 million persons in Italy in which migrant account for almost 3 million persons. The chart is now invalid. Galati (talk) 16:42, 14 December 2007 (UTC)Galati

    I'm the author of the demographic section (I made it a couple of years ago) You are right Galati, ethcnic Italians are about 56 million! I fixed the mistake...I don't know who changes datas without appropriate knowledge. --Conte di Cavour (talk) 14:15, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

    Incorrect map

    The Regions, provinces, and municipalities section shows a map of Italy with it's administrative divisions, however it only shows 4 provinces on Sardinia when there are 8. (BigTurnip (talk) 21:33, 30 December 2007 (UTC))

    i second the motion! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 222.127.68.187 (talk) 06:42, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
    This map has been incorrect for 2 years, since Sardinia changed to 8 provinces from 4, I don't possess the technical know how to change the map, but perhaps somebody else does. BigTurnip (talk) 01:41, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

    mafia 7% gdp

    Point 24 says that 7% italian gdp is done by Mafia - that's from NYT article: The annual report was released by the Confesercenti, an association of small businesses. It says that through various activities — extortion, usury, contraband, robberies, gambling and Internet piracy — organized crime accounts for 7 percent of Italy’s gross domestic product. I would say that whose do extortion, usury, robberies, and so on don't declare this type of 'incomings' on tax declaration - so that incomes aren't computed in GDP- that is measured on earnings declaration. Also that's a bad translation of Confesercenti, that said that Mafia earning is the same as 7% italian gdp. You could verify on: http://www.jugo.it/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=6752 or differents mirror that reports original news. The same sentence, the same examples, but misunderstanding of word 'pari' that means 'the same as'. So, my english is not so good, but also isn't italian of New York Times . And also it's quite offensive. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.222.13.123 (talk) 00:45, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

    Regia Aeronautica

    Regia Aeronautica means Royal Air Force. I dont understand the citation needed tag. —Preceding unsigned comment added by TheDRaKKaR (talk • contribs) 11:15, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

    Girl Scout or Girl Guides

    What are the Girl Scouts called in your country? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.176.17.6 (talk) 14:03, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

    As far as I know they're called "coccinelle" (that is "ladybugs").--Gspinoza (talk) 17:09, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
    Guides. Coccinelle is used for 8 to 12 years only, and in some not all scout organisations. In the largest one, AGESCI, within the 13-17 years old branch, females are called "Guide" that is guides; males are "esploratori" that is explorers. All collectively are called "scouts" using the english word more often than "guide" or "esploratori". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.166.34.69 (talk) 14:58, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

    Resignation of Romano Prodi

    Romano Prodi has resigned from his role as Prime Minister of Italy![1] —Preceding unsigned comment added by Galati (talk • contribs) 15:15, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

    Food

    Italians enjoy many types of food. One of Italians favorites are the famous Pizza, Spaggetti, Lasagna, and many others. Pizza is not like the pizza in the U.S. Italian pizza is very small. Usually Italians eat their main meal around noon and sleep through the afternoon. Italians also enjoy many types of desserts like ice cream. Ice cream is not called ice cream in Italy. In Italy ice cream is called gelato. Italians did not have proper refrigeration so the gelato was very soft. There are many flavors of gelato. One of the most popular flavors is pistachio. Pistachios are very popular nuts in Italy. Other flavors of gelato include orange, vannila, chocolate and lemon. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.252.198.75 (talk) 23:02, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

    You have probably only heard about Italy: spaghetti (not spaggetti) is a kind of pasta and IMHO it's the sauce that create a spaghetti dish. Same for lasagne (not lasana) but in this case could be a kind of pasta and a dish. Personally I don't know a single adult Italian that sleeps in the afternoon, and it's the first time I've heard about ice cream consistency related to improper refrigeration. Industrial ice cream is quite different from "hand made" ice cream (gelato artigianale). In Italy pistachio (pistacchio) is a niche cultivation, majority is imported from Turkey, California and Iran. Finally it's vaniglia not vannila. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.58.156.145 (talk) 14:29, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

    I have never seen anybody but my granmother sleeping around noon but she was 80.. this is not correct. Pizza changes between north and south pretty much. In NY I had a pizza very similar to the one you can have in Sicily e.g. In my opinion the key in Italian food is wather, air, quality of ingredients. Culture comes later itself. Whoever try to have a "prosciutto di sandaniele" only 30 Km far from there just would fail. I mean, it could also better but .. for sure different. When people make it for 100 years only who produce the best will go ahead .. a kind of Darwin selection for food . The same happens with wines. :) Untill 1950 Italy has been very slow and people didn't move from theyr placebirth a lot so that traditions have been refining in generations more than in other places. I would add also wars as a reason why people had to cook the better with penury of ingredients. During the end of 1800 in Veneto region and a lot of people leterally died for grinding poverty (see the six brother of Pacelli Pope he never knew, the Belgium mines etc..). therefore .. fagioli (beans, cheep at that time..), polenta and all other popular dishes wich to me are the ones that more closelly represents italian cookery. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.8.245.163 (talk) 22:03, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

    Science

    Fermi wasn't the head of the Manhattan Project (Oppenheimer was). Fermi was the leader of the project that built the first nuclear reactor though. Nighthealer (talk) 09:42, 10 February 2008 (UTC) i like cheese and so do italians. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.27.72.30 (talk) 13:04, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

    MODA (fashion)

    MILANO (Milan) and ROMA (Rome) are very famous for fashion design in all over the world —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.104.198.73 (talk) 22:31, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

    Italian Design

    Well, what a pity that you need a Condoleeza rice's photo to show here in this page! That shows many things! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.167.209.10 (talk) 17:35, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

    The inclusion of Kosovo

    I'm resuming with the inclusion of independent Kosovo in the maps of the countries that recognise it. Bardhylius (talk) 13:26, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

    Latin Europe

    Hello Italy! There is a vote going on at Latin Europe that might interest you. Please everyone, do come and give your opinion and votes. Thank you. The Ogre (talk) 20:40, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

    article bias

    Wikipedia should remain free of bias from any side. "tragedy of the First World War", under the history section, should be replaced by the simpler "First World War" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.126.99.143 (talk) 05:19, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

    Done. Carl.bunderson (talk) 09:23, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

    Official languages

    Greek? In a generic "southern Italy"? ROTFLMAO. I'm not a lawyer, but AFAIK there cannot be any official language other than Italian except in the five special regions (Regioni a statuto speciale), i.e. Val d'Aosta, Trentino-Alto Adige, Friuli Venezia-Giulia, Sardegna and Sicilia.

    AFAIK French is co-official in Val d'Aosta and German in Alto Adige (i.e. in the province of Bolzano/Bozen, I don't think it's official in the province of Trento).

    What i see written in the table...

    French is co-official in the Aosta Valley; German and Ladin are co-official in the province of Bolzano-Bozen. Sardinian, Catalan and Corsican in Sardinia, Albanian and Greek in Southern Italy, Occitan in Piedmont, Ladin in the Province of Belluno, and Friulan and Slovenian in Friuli-Venezia Giulia are also officially recognized at different degrees.

    ...sounds very much like random bullshit.

    Now, I'm removing that, and anybody who isn't actually an Italian lawyer should not add anything like that.

    --Lo'oris (talk) 21:48, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

    Why is it odd to you that different regions may recognize regional languages? For example, in Slovenia, Italian is official in some regions. --KevinBas (talk) 05:19, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
    Because I'm Italian and I've never heard of such a thing, maybe? --Lo'oris (talk) 11:17, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
    According to our article Occitan language
    Italy adopted in 1999 a Linguistic Minorities Protection Law, or "Law 482"
    I’d guess that the list of languages from Sardinian to Slovenian might have been derived from that. Anyway, it could be worth following up. —Ian Spackman (talk) 08:45, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
    Mmmh intresting, I'll do some research --Lo'oris (talk) 11:17, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
    Done. Here it is. Article 1, comma 1

    1. La lingua ufficiale della Repubblica è l'italiano.

    "The official language of the Republic is Italian."
    Then it talks about allowing the use of some other languages in some cities or areas, but this doesn't make them official, as stated in the first article. --Lo'oris (talk) 11:28, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
    No the regional costitution of Valle d'Aosta says that french is also official language of the region. Also in Trentino Altro Adige region german is official languages. In that regions the official act of italian nation are written in french and german.--93.149.140.57 (talk) 13:46, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

    View of Americans?

    I'm doing a project, and need to know what Italians think of Americans. I've looked just about everythere. and foung NOTHING.

    can someone please help?

    Thank You. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.102.177.23 (talk) 02:18, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

    That's really not something that can be found an encyclopedia. Of course you'll also realize that many people will have many different opinions, don't you? --Lo'oris (talk) 11:30, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

    New cabinet

    This is more of a question. Does anyone know when will Berlusconi will assume office, and does anyone have a list of who his cabinet members are??? Like Minister of family, or minister of the interior? Any info would help! Galati (talk) 21:05, 25 April 2008 (UTC)Galati

    D'Alema is the former Foreign Affairs minister

    The picture with d'Alema and Rice should say: D'Alema former minister... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Teddyfresco (talk • contribs) 11:54, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

    Contradiction in Population Ranking

    Tagged the page as contradictory - info box at top ranks population as 23rd largest in the world, article says 22nd. I don't know which is correct, merely that 22!=23. Could someone who might know fix this? Madmonk325 (talk) 04:44, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

    Fixed (it's the 23rd) --Conte di Cavour (talk) 11:50, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

    locator map; orange or green

    I am an editor busy on the Germany article. There, we recently had the discussion on whether to use the orange or the green map. Most contributors simply like the style of the orange version more and so it will (for the time being) remain our type of locator map. However, to me it was very surprising to find out that more EU countries (the ratio is 2:1) actually use the green version. So, I was wondering whether this is done on purpose, because you prefer the green version? Or would you like to change? Tomeasytalk 15:07, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

    No comments at all? What if I propose to change it...Tomeasytalk 06:50, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
    Quick comment, the article says that the dark green and light green is Europe Continent. The Balkans is part of Europe, I'm not sure why this map does not include Kosova, Albania, Macedonia, Serbia, Croatia, Bosnia, Montenegro, etc. Also the green map is better. Ari d'Kosova (talk) 03:46, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
    The caption under the map says that the dark gray and light green are Europe. The light green is the European Union, so that's probably why they're not included in the light green (but they are included as Europe). What in particular do you like about the green map vs. the orange one? I don't have a strong preference, but I do find the green/grey colors to be a little drab. Kman543210 (talk) 05:55, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
    Would anyone object a change? I just find the orange map looks much better. It shows the borders clearly and the contrast is not dull as with the green map. I think it can make Wikipedia look slightly more professional. Any reasons against a change? Tomeasytalk 19:10, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

    The green looks much better...the orange shows the land topography which is not appropriate for an introductory map photo. The green and grey just look neat and professional compared to the orange.

    User: galati, who did not care taking part in this discussion, reverted my change to reinstall the green map. From the above comments, I conclude that there is some support here for either version. So, remaining with the green version is certainly an option as long as new proponents of the orange version do not pop up. However, I would appreciate if people who are going to simply revert edits that have been discussed, to first join this discussion and voice there opinion. Tomeasytalk 11:52, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
    User Tomeasy over here decides that he will revert the original colour of green/grey to orange in his desperate attempts, completely ignoring the fact that two thirds of European Union countries have this map. He definitely does not agree with his own page where he states that he is against personal attacks seeing as he has just done so. He should take his discussion elsewhere. I would appreciate that someone not revert maps that people are already happy with. Thanks! Galati (talk) 05:55, 7 July 2008 (UTC)Galati
    What are you talking about? You reinstalled the green map on 4 July and since then it stands, even though I do not find it fair, because you could have taken part in this discussion already earlier. Anyway, I did not revert anything ahead of your above post on 7 July. And what do yo mean by personal attack? To me it appears more of a personal attack that you accuse me of a revert that did not happen. However, if you have personal problems with me bring them to my talk page or, better, drop them and focus on the issue.
    Two thirds of the EU are using a green map. Why is this an argument at all? Or, why do you look at EU countries only and not at all European countries? I think people should just decide which map they prefer. There we have apparently different views, but that's all there is and no reason to get personal. Do you have other arguments than the two third thing? Tomeasytalk 13:18, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

    Your joking right? This green and grey version of the Italy map has been up since May. I only just reverted it July 4th because someone switched it back to orange. The fact that there shouldbe a discussion regarding the maps is irrelevant considering that the green version has been up for a very long time. I did take part of the discussion but i did not sign in when I was part of it and I put full-fledged support for the green one. i wrote: "The green looks much better...the orange shows the land topography which is not appropriate for an introductory map photo. The green and grey just look neat and professional compared to the orange."

    I dont have a personal problem with you, but i have a problem with people reverting a perfectly good map into orange. Dont think that I dont read other country discussions. You are always bringing this map issue up in different countries which is pointless. I have argued constantly that this map has been part of European union pages for a very long time and they dont need to be changed. That is totally unnecessary. You and I know very well after reading the other country discussions, that some Eastern European nations dont have the green map made yet. You asked whether we would like to change one or you would change it to orange. The very reason why you recieved limited responses is because everyone like the green one to begin with.

    I have not personally attacked you. I have only given my statement saying that I preferred the green and you snipe back saying: ":User: galati, who did not care taking part in this discussion, reverted my change to reinstall the green map." This hereby proves my point. You made a personal attack and you did revert the green map into the orange one. Galati (talk) 16:13, 7 July 2008 (UTC)Galati

    I was not joking. "I only just reverted it July 4th because someone switched it back to orange." That someone was I and I had proposed to do so on this page before hand. After your action on 4 July the green map stands, so your personal accusation on 7 July (see above) is pointless.
    If you already forget to sign in before joining a discussion, then please try to remember to at least sign your comment with four tildes (~ ~ ~ ~), so that an IP number and the date shows up. Anything else simply confuses the discussion. How did you expect me to know that the anonymous comment above was yours?
    This way you should understand my comment posted on 4 July ":User: galati, who did not care [...]". It perfectly makes sense, if you consider the information that you had provided, or better, failed to provide.
    I have started this map request at France, Spain, and Italy, after we have had this discussion on Germany, where I am actively contributing. I was just wondering why so many countries still use the older and IMHO less attractive map. I do not see any problem with this, do you?
    So mush about the personal stuff, which we should have better discussed on our personal pages. So, if you still have a need for that, post it there. Let's have it here and now about the map:
    ————
    Even long standing information might be changed from time to time to keep track with the technical and intellectual evolution. That is a core principle of Wikipedia. Or would you still go with the graphics of the early years. The green map replace another type of map once and it was good that it happened. Therefore, a map may be changed even if it was stable for some months. Provided that we, the editors, find that it is an improvement.
    There was not much response apart from your actions here. You interpret these lacking contributions as support for the green map. I might equally interpret it the other way around, a silent consent to my proposition. Probably, it just shows that not many people care much about the question. In any case, an unexpressed opinion simply does not count on Wikipedia. We will have to see where the stronger arguments are.
    Which brings me back to the question of my previous post. Do you have any arguments for the green map apart from the two third thing?
    Does anyone else have arguments for or against the proposed versions? Tomeasytalk 17:09, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

    You clearly did not read my first comment during the discussion. I stated that the orange map showed the topography of the country which is not appropriate for an introductory picture. Also, the map is very distorted making other nations look bigger than they actually are compared to the green map which shows the nations appropriately. I think the misrepresentation of the orange map is reason enough. Articles of other countries have topography maps in their geogrpahy section which is appropriate.

    I was not expecting you to know that I contributed to the discussion. I only just said that I did just now. Its not about the fact the 2 out of 3 European Union nations have this map, its about the fact that the green and grey is neat and represents proper proportions of the various European nations. You say that things need to change from time to time which is absolutely true. But this is a map for Christ's sake. Its perfectly fine for the year 2008. You wrote: " We will have to see where the stronger arguments are." Its seems that you are out for a fight with words. I'm am not here for that. I am simply a person of partial Italian descent, contributing and defending information on this Italy page.

    Besides your POV, what makes the orange map so much more appropriate than the green one? Galati (talk) 20:53, 7 July 2008 (UTC)Galati

    A must-be-fix

    Where is the description of the unification? The section of the unification lacks almost everything, it just assumes we already know the history of the unification. Victor Emanuel who? Garribaldi who? Why? Did they partake in the unification? (Don't answer here, answer in the article - I'm just acting stupid in order to provoke someone knowledgeable to improve that section). Said: Rursus ☻ 09:09, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

    Cagliari and Venice?

    I would add two photos:

    Cagliari (Sardinia) and Venice (Veneto) with the other photos of famous italian cities. I think that we should put them ;-)

    Cagliari
    Image:Gondola.arp.750pix.jpg
    Venice

    in recent years they have less population but are principal and important cities for culture, monuments, buildings... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.16.89.23 (talk) 04:32, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

    The Catholic Church ' still play a role in the nation's political affairs.

    I removed that sentence, which is quite misleading and actually doesn't make much sense.

    Italy doesn't have an established church, the Catholic Church has no political role in the Italian Republic, nor any power over the democratic institutions of the country. Then yes, of course many if not most of the Italians are Catholic and act accordingly to the Catholic Church precepts, but that's a completely different matter. --Fertuno (talk) 21:35, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

    I agree with you--93.149.140.57 (talk) 13:30, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

    The Marina Militare contradiction

    The page on the Marina Militare states that: "Today's Marina Militare is considered as the 6°navy of the world", whereas this article states "The Marina Militare is considered the fourth strongest navy of the world." Does anyone know what it ranks, or alternatively, in what way it may be possible to assess its rank? I know that there is a discussion on the Talk:Marina_Militare page on the issue, but I just wanted to bring up the point here as well, so that the contradiction is solved. Cheers Radarino (talk) 08:59, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

    Image copyright problem with Image:LaDolceVita.jpg

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    Semi protection

    I propose to indefinitely semi-protect the article on basis of WP:SEMI. anyone who is in doubt just screen the history of the article. 90% of the edits are either reverts or reverted. Tomeasy T C 07:19, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

    GDP rank problem

    The GDP(PPP) Total rank for Italy appears to be inconsistent with the page (List of countries by GDP(PPP)-Wikipedia) it links to. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.232.105.190 (talk) 20:26, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

    italy is the 7 largest gdp and the 6 industrial power of g8 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.42.4.10 (talk) 16:26, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

    New Demographics for Italy

    Ciao a tutti! There are new demographics up for Italy just released so I put them up. Please dont delete them as they are all government (ISTAT) backed! Galati (talk) 22:23, 15 October 2008 (UTC)Galati

    The Presidente del Consiglio

    I read "Executive power is exercised collectively by the Council of Ministers, which is led by a President, in jargon referred to as "premier", "primo ministro" or "prime minister" in English."
    Referred to as "prime minister" in English?! It is completely false.. In Italy we call the Presidente of the Council Presidente del Consiglio or Primo Ministro. Moreover in Italy english language is not spread. We at least need a citation for this, it exists of course..--TheDRaKKaR (talk) 00:56, 25 November 2008 (UTC)


    You are right, yet wrong. It is true that English is not widespread in Italy, but it is also true that the President of the Council of Ministers is referred to in English as the "Prime Minister" (after all, they are equivalent). Just open any British, American, etc., newspaper and you will find that they do not refer to the Italian head of government as the "President of the Council", in the same way as the German Kanzler is referred to as "Chancellor", and so on. Radarino (talk) 06:55, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

    I suppose TheDRaKKaR meant that the phrasing he was referring to could be understood as meaning that in Italy people use the English phrase "prime minister". I have reworded the sentence as to avoid this ambiguity. Goochelaar (talk) 10:50, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
    Yes Goochelar, I meant so. Thanks and sorry for my poor english.--TheDRaKKaR (talk) 20:55, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
    Fair enough, I hadn't thought it that way. Good re-wording! Ciao! Radarino (talk) 06:20, 26 November 2067 (UTC)
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